In this interview Dad talks about some of his experiences during his six years working for Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation on the LEM, including three in Houston at the Manned Spacecraft Center (now Johnson Space Center) near Clear Lake, Texas.  Dad was Chief of Test Operations for thermal-vacuum testing of LTA-8 (Lunar Test Article 8).

The interview was conducted by Gene Thomas in Bethpage on May 30, 2002.